[SI-LIST] Re: HSDD: Re: SI Position Open READ THIS!!!!
- From: sainath@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sainath Nimmagadda)
- To: "Si-List@Freelists. Org" <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:55:03 -0800
I thought Dr. Prince was suggesting the opposite. I am not sure about the
special law because sophisticated software packages (neural networks ?) take
over the show by then.
Sainath
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[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim Freeman
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:14 AM
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: HSDD: Re: SI Position Open READ THIS!!!!
The salary will be minimal and he will be reduced to slavery because of the
needs of the masses. Remember that the EE will be a majority of one. There
will also be a special law that if the EE messes up, some form of torture
will
be applied.
Jim Freeman
"Dr. John L. Prince" wrote:
> The problem is one of positive feedback. As we get fewer and fewer
> engineering profs who actually understand Ohm's law in its straightforward
> form (no matrix notation) it naturally happens that curricula change in
the
> direction you and others mention. You can't teach what you don't know,
and
> you won't teach what you are not familiar with. I see no end to it. But
> just think of the salary for the last EE left on earth!! John Prince
>
> At 10:13 AM 01/29/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >Dear Jim Freeman,
> >
> >I agree with you whole-heartedly that EE education is being
> >shunted aside
> >in favor of computer science at many universities. It's
> >unfortunately, really, that
> >educators have to make such decisions, but understandable of
> >course. Out of
> >the torrent of papers, conferences, and new information
> >available each year they
> >have to choose what is worthy of presentation to new
> >students, and what has become
> >"passe" or is available otherwise as "on-the-job" training.
> >For example, at my
> >alma matter Rice University I've heard rumors that the EE
> >curriculum may soon be
> >dropped or scaled back. From my perspective, eliminating
> >subjects like transmission
> >lines, electromagnetic fields, (low voltage) power
> >distribution and interconnect
> >modeling would be a mistake, but then I don't get to make
> >such decisions (and I'm
> >glad I don't have to).
> >
> >Clayton Paul has done a lot to popularize the teaching of
> >EMC
> >in colleges and universities with his textbook "Introduction
> >to Electromagnetic
> >Compatibility" and his persistent efforts within the IEEE to
> >discuss EE
> >curriculum. At this point I'm wondering who will step
> >forward to do the same job
> >for the field of signal integrity.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Dr. Howard Johnson, Signal Consulting Inc.,
> >tel 509-997-0505, howiej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >http:\\signalintegrity.com -- High-Speed Digital Design
> >articles, books, tools, and seminars
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim
> >Freeman
> >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:17 PM
> >To: ventham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; owsley@xxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Position Open READ THIS!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >Hi All,
> > Howard's article compares vintage with EMC. As one of
> >the vintage engineers,
> >I think the problem is really in the conversion from an
> >emphasis on the
> >ELECTRICAL in E.E. to an emphasis on computers in electrical
> >engineering. Most
> >engineers who graduate today think of electrons as an
> >anachronism, if they think
> >of them at all.
> > As us vintage engineers remember, we were educated when
> >the transition was
> >occurring from motors, relays and tubes to a solid-state
> >emphasis. We have
> >performed our engineering job so well that those who
> >practice engineering today
> >don't worry about solid-state. it just works. We are
> >generally in the same boat
> >with today's engineers in regard to motor theory because it
> >was being
> >de-emphasized in our education.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Jim Freeman
> >
> >Mike Ventham wrote:
> >
> >> Greetings All,
> >>
> >> I think Howard has now recognized vintage as being related
> >to bald.
> >>
> >> See "NOT ALL EMC ENGINEERS ARE BALD"
> >> Don't believe every myth you hear.
> >> http://article.EDNMag.com/UM/T.ASP?A5.12.1729.9.1940859194
> >>
> >> At 02:28 19/06/01, Bill Owsley wrote:
> >>
> >> >At 11:45 PM 06/18/2001 +0100, Mike Ventham wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >The same seems to go for EMC engineers. I have met many
> >who are 'old'
> >> >
> >> >the politically correct now use 'vintage' instead of
> >'old' - like in wine...
> >> >;>
> >> >
> >> > >analog engineers!
> >> > >
> >> > >At 23:19 18/06/01, you wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >i kinda get the feeling that its the other way
> >around... a true SI
> >> > guy is a
> >> > > >
> >> > > >microwave guy who's turned digital. ;-) all the
> >digital guys that
> >> > pick up
> >> > > >on a little microwave are just SI wannabe's.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >miker
> >> > > >
> >> > > >p.s. i'm a digital guy and the above is said
> >tongue-in-cheek.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >(snipped for bandwidth)
> >> >
> >> >----------------------------
> >> >Bill Owsley, owsley@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >919) 392-8341
> >> >
> >> >Compliance Engineer
> >> >Cisco Systems
> >> >
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
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