[SI-LIST] Re: HSDD: Re: SI Position Open READ THIS!!!!
- From: "Dr. John L. Prince" <prince@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: howiej@xxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:03:34 -0700
The problem is one of positive feedback. As we get fewer and fewer
engineering profs who actually understand Ohm's law in its straightforward
form (no matrix notation) it naturally happens that curricula change in the
direction you and others mention. You can't teach what you don't know, and
you won't teach what you are not familiar with. I see no end to it. But
just think of the salary for the last EE left on earth!! John Prince
At 10:13 AM 01/29/2002 -0800, you wrote:
>Dear Jim Freeman,
>
>I agree with you whole-heartedly that EE education is being
>shunted aside
>in favor of computer science at many universities. It's
>unfortunately, really, that
>educators have to make such decisions, but understandable of
>course. Out of
>the torrent of papers, conferences, and new information
>available each year they
>have to choose what is worthy of presentation to new
>students, and what has become
>"passe" or is available otherwise as "on-the-job" training.
>For example, at my
>alma matter Rice University I've heard rumors that the EE
>curriculum may soon be
>dropped or scaled back. From my perspective, eliminating
>subjects like transmission
>lines, electromagnetic fields, (low voltage) power
>distribution and interconnect
>modeling would be a mistake, but then I don't get to make
>such decisions (and I'm
>glad I don't have to).
>
>Clayton Paul has done a lot to popularize the teaching of
>EMC
>in colleges and universities with his textbook "Introduction
>to Electromagnetic
>Compatibility" and his persistent efforts within the IEEE to
>discuss EE
>curriculum. At this point I'm wondering who will step
>forward to do the same job
>for the field of signal integrity.
>
>Best regards,
>Dr. Howard Johnson, Signal Consulting Inc.,
>tel 509-997-0505, howiej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>http:\\signalintegrity.com -- High-Speed Digital Design
>articles, books, tools, and seminars
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jim
>Freeman
>Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:17 PM
>To: ventham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; owsley@xxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: SI Position Open READ THIS!!!!
>
>
>
>Hi All,
> Howard's article compares vintage with EMC. As one of
>the vintage engineers,
>I think the problem is really in the conversion from an
>emphasis on the
>ELECTRICAL in E.E. to an emphasis on computers in electrical
>engineering. Most
>engineers who graduate today think of electrons as an
>anachronism, if they think
>of them at all.
> As us vintage engineers remember, we were educated when
>the transition was
>occurring from motors, relays and tubes to a solid-state
>emphasis. We have
>performed our engineering job so well that those who
>practice engineering today
>don't worry about solid-state. it just works. We are
>generally in the same boat
>with today's engineers in regard to motor theory because it
>was being
>de-emphasized in our education.
>
>Thanks
>Jim Freeman
>
>Mike Ventham wrote:
>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I think Howard has now recognized vintage as being related
>to bald.
>>
>> See "NOT ALL EMC ENGINEERS ARE BALD"
>> Don't believe every myth you hear.
>> http://article.EDNMag.com/UM/T.ASP?A5.12.1729.9.1940859194
>>
>> At 02:28 19/06/01, Bill Owsley wrote:
>>
>> >At 11:45 PM 06/18/2001 +0100, Mike Ventham wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >The same seems to go for EMC engineers. I have met many
>who are 'old'
>> >
>> >the politically correct now use 'vintage' instead of
>'old' - like in wine...
>> >;>
>> >
>> > >analog engineers!
>> > >
>> > >At 23:19 18/06/01, you wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >i kinda get the feeling that its the other way
>around... a true SI
>> > guy is a
>> > > >
>> > > >microwave guy who's turned digital. ;-) all the
>digital guys that
>> > pick up
>> > > >on a little microwave are just SI wannabe's.
>> > > >
>> > > >miker
>> > > >
>> > > >p.s. i'm a digital guy and the above is said
>tongue-in-cheek.
>> > > >
>> > > >(snipped for bandwidth)
>> >
>> >----------------------------
>> >Bill Owsley, owsley@xxxxxxxxx
>> >919) 392-8341
>> >
>> >Compliance Engineer
>> >Cisco Systems
>> >
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mike
>>
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