I forgot to mention...
If you go this route (pardon the pun), you'll need to explicitly call out the
voided areas above the signal traces as "NO THIEVING" areas, else your vendor
may put thieving over your beautifully controlled traces. When this happens,
you'll really understand that copper is copper, regardless of what it's
connected to (or not at all) and influences your impedance the same. It wreaks
havoc with your impedance. But, it's probably a moot point for most non-server
designs, as Lee said.
Jeff Loyer
Signal Integrity Lead
Amazon Web Services (AWS)
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From: Loyer, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:16 AM
To: 'carson.au@xxxxxxxxx' <carson.au@xxxxxxxxx>; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] HDI and SERDES Channels
I think you'd have to void the layers above or below your signal traces. For
instance, I can imagine routing the longest lengths on the outermost layers of
the "core" of a build-up stackup and voiding layers above those traces to allow
me to widen the traces (they would also be relatively thick, further lowering
loss). You'd want a solid plane above them somewhere, but it doesn't have to
be the adjacent layer. You'd also have to be careful to specify smooth copper
on those layers, else the manufacturer will probably undo your great efforts by
putting rough copper on them.
Jeff
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Behalf Of Carson Au
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 5:07 AM
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Subject: [SI-LIST] HDI and SERDES Channels
Hi Experts,
From my understanding, HDI build-up layers require thin prepreg layers, leading
to very thin trace widths for 100ohm differential impedance control
- and your high speed serial links would suffer great conductor loss.
How do you mitigate against this?
If your design has many build-up layers with thin build-up layers on either
side of your stripline, then it is impossible to even get something like 100um
(4mil) trace widths for your 100 ohm differential pairs!!
Regards,
Carson
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