Hi, We have a board that uses an Amp 269152-1 gigabit fiber transceiver; we use it at 1.0625Gbps (Fibre Channel speeds) with an industry-standard SerDes operating at 106.25MHz. This is mounted on a standard PCI card, with the nose of the transceiver poking through the rear bracket of the PCI card. What we've found during CE compliance testing is that the little metal "clip" around the transceiver's nose needs to be in close physical contact to the rear bracket, or else we significantly exceed emissions standards... at 318.75MHz. So, we have a fix, but I'm curious -- how does a 318.75MHz signal radiate from a hole in the rear bracket that's ~.4"x.3" wide? (Since the wavelength of a 318.75MHz signal is in the ballpark of a meter I was under the impression that, if you think of the opening in the bracket as a waveguide, that you're nowhere near any supported mode of the waveguide.) Also... in the past couple of days, it was stated that for 2.5Gbps transceivers, striplines are recommended as opposed to microstrip due to their lower radiation. Fair enough. Some of the commentary, however, also seemed to suggest that a quarter-wave microstrip transmission line would make an excellent antenna. Is that really true? It seems to me that if you're building a standard microstrip line (copper trace above a ground plane), sure, it'll certainly radiate some (and more so than stripline construction, even), but to make a _really_ good antenna you need to remove the ground plane so that (most of) the EM field isn't just immediately cancelled by the fields due to the return current on the ground plane. OK, ok, one final question -- we know that a standard dipole has an increasing radiation resistance up to its resonant frequency, at which point the length of each half of the dipole is approximately a quarter wavelength. If we make the dipole antenna longer, the radiation resistance will actually decrease (right?), and in general the plot of the radiation resistance vs. antenna length is a cyclical function. Is it correct to think of the decreasing radiation resistance as being due to partial field cancellation once the antenna is longer than its resonant length? I.e., if each arm of the dipole is a half wavelength long, it's correct to think of this as really two quarter-wave dipoles stacked on top of each other: The fields from the "upper" quarter-wave dipole end up being 180 degrees out of phase with those from the "lower" quarter-wave dipole, largely canceling each other out, and therefore there's little radiation whatsoever with such an "antenna." (I'd be curious if anyone has a suggestion for a book that stresses the intuitive understanding of a lot of this subject matter. I did OK in my college fields and waves courses, but I find that I'm rather lacking in intuition as far as how, e.g., a folded dipole or quadrifilar helix antenna ought to "behave" [radiate] vs. a simple dipole. Even though these days you can certainly stick whatever arbitrary configuration you want into a program like NEC and "see what happens," I'd bet a nickel that the good antenna designers out there can tell you off the top of their heads what an antenna's going to do -- to a first order approximation -- before they ever touch a PC. Is that true?) Oh, wait, this is the SI-List, not Antenna List... sorry for getting a little off-topic. :-) ---Joel Kolstad Electroglas ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu