Sorry, I hit the wrong button; I meant to distribute this to everyone. Regards, Paul Levin -- Attached file included as plaintext by Listar -- Return-Path: <levinpa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.123]) by emu (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id u1sbl1.1r7.37tiu8v for <levinpa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from lsanca1-ar3-109-015.elnk.dsl.gtei.net ([4.33.109.15] helo=earthlink.net) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16G1mw-0000OV-00; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:42:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3C1E2E8B.DB0BB327@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:42:36 -0800 From: Paul Levin <levinpa@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mathieu.Melenhorst@xxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Resistor noise specs References: <39E2F9718FC4F645AE9DCC97EF3593625A5082@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Mathieu, This noise is an excess noise, probably per decade. This extra 1/f noise is only present when there is a dc drop across the resistor. Motchenbacher and Connelly's "Low Noise Electronic Design" (Wiley, 1993) attributes this excess noise to manufacturing defects or process that resemble defects (e.g., carbon composition resistors.) This phenomena has be known since at least 1961 when MIL-STD-202, Method 308 described a test for this excess noise. Hope that this helps, Paul Levin Senior Principal Engineer Logic Innovations _____________________ "Melenhorst, Mathieu" wrote: > Hi, > > When I looked at the specs of an RC02 resistor, the noise is specified as > max 1 uV/V for 100E < R <= 1kOhms > > It seems that this is an absolute value, regardless of the bandwidth which > is > included in the thermal noise. > > Is there an explanation to be found in physics? > > Can anyone explain this? > > Mathieu Melenhorst > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu