[SI-LIST] Re: Ferrite Bricks on power Supplies
- From: "Bradley S Henson" <bhenson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Raymond.Anderson@xxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:58:35 -0800
At another company I worked for we found an application with a ferrite on
the output of a regulator, presumably to further low-pass noise from coming
through into a sensitive area. This ferrite material's inductive vs.
resistive curves were such that there was a significant frequency area
where it was NOT acting as a lossy inductor, but a rather high Q inductor.
It ended up resonating with the circuit capacitance! In this case simply
selecting a different ferrite material fixed the problem, but it reminds us
that ferrites are not always low-Q lossy inductors :)
Brad Henson
Raytheon
Raymond Anderson
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Please respond to
Raymond.Anderson
Tom Dagostino wrote:
>Power supplies need to have low impedance. But in the frequency range
where
>the ferrite bead has high impedance the power supply distribution on the
>circuit board controls the impedance seen by the load, not the output
>impedance of the power supply itself.
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Tom is absolutely correct. "Most" garden variety VRM's and switching power
supplies have a 'heartbeat' frequency ranging from a few 100kHz up to
perhaps
10MHz in the high performance units. The output impedance of these units
is
very low at DC and stays quite low up to some corner frequency which is
usually in the 100's of kHz to a couple MHz range. (this is usually a
function of the switching regulators loop dynamics) Above that corner
frequency the output impedance begins to climb.
By the time you get to 100 MHz the power supply output impedance is quite
high and the components controlling the power distribution system (PDS)
impedance at that frequency are the decoupling capacitors and perhaps the
power plane capacitance. Inclusion of the ferrite component in the
output of
the power supply or VRM doesn't materially effect the PDS impedance at low
frequencies because as Tom pointed out, the ferrite component impedance
only
becomes Hi-Z at higher frequencies. One thing that you might want to
consider
though is that the inclusion of extra inductance in the power supply path
between the power supply and the bulk decoupling capacitors may effect the
slew rate capabilities of the power supply under transient load conditions.
-Ray Anderson
Sun Microsystems inc.
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