[SI-LIST] Re: FW: New and lastest reference on "Jitter, Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"

  • From: "Buhrow, Benjamin" <Buhrow.Benjamin@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: "Buhrow, Benjamin R." <Buhrow.Benjamin@xxxxxxxx>, <bernard.goodwin@xxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:44:43 -0600

Arggh.  I give up.  The =3D20 should not be on the end of the last link.

- ben.=20

> -----Original Message-----
> From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Buhrow, Benjamin
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: bernard.goodwin@xxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: FW: New and lastest reference on=20
> "Jitter, Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
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> I frequently see links get mangled on this reflector. =20
> www.tinyurl.com can work wonders with this problem.
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> http://tinyurl.com/2r7hr5=3D20
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> - ben.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Goodwin, Bernard
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:02 PM
> > To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] FW: New and lastest reference on "Jitter,=3D20 =20
> >Noise, and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
> >=3D20
> > I had trouble with the Amazon.com link that you provided.=20
> =3D20  Here is=20
> >the correct one.
> >=3D20
> > http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Sem
> iconductor
> > /dp/0132429616
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Bernard
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > On Behalf Of Mike Peng Li
> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 1:37 AM
> > To: Zhengrong.Xu@xxxxxxxxxx; shawn.h.zheng@xxxxxxxxx
> > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [SI-LIST] New and lastest reference on "Jitter,=3D20  =
Noise,=20
> >and Signal Integrity at High-Speed"
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > The answers to this question, or similar questions in=20
> the=3D20  general=20
> >areas of jitter, noise, and signal integrity (Xtalk=3D20
> > included) can be found in a=3D3D3D  recent publication by=3D20 =20
> Prentice=20
> >Hall entitled "Jitter, Noise, and Signal =3D3D3D=3D20  Integrity at =
High=20
> >Speed" at=3D3D3D20 =3D20 =20
> >http://www.amazon.com/Jitter-Integrity-High-Speed-Prentice-Sem
> iconductor
> > /=3D3D3D
> > dp/0132429616
> >=3D20
> > with ISBN-13: 978-0-13-242961-0
> >      ISBN-10:     0-13-242961-6
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Thanks!
> >=3D20
> > Mike
> >              =3D3D3D20
> >=3D20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > =3D3D3D
> > On Behalf Of xuzhengrong
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 6:10 PM
> > To: shawn.h.zheng@xxxxxxxxx
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> > Subject: [SI-LIST] =3D3D3DB4=3D3D3DF0=3D3D3DB8=3D3D3DB4: Xtalk from=20
> >vertical=3D20  via to =3D3D horizontal tr=3D3D3D ace =3D20  From=20
> some paper I=20
> >also learnt that parallel-plated waveguide=3D20
> > (PPW) noise =3D3D3D =3D3D3D3D can be excited from vias in PCBs=20
> due to=3D20 =20
> >the mode conversion. The excited PPW noise can propagate=3D20 =20
> through a=20
> >PPW composed of power and ground planes.
> > =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >=3D20
> > The
> > propagation of the PPW noise through PCBs results in=3D20 =20
> resonances in=20
> >transmission characteristics of signal vias due=3D20  to the multiple =

> >=3D3D3D3D reflections from the edge of PCBs and=3D20  coupling =
between=20
> >signal vias.=3D3D3D3D20 I wonder how much xtalk=3D20  the propagation =
of=20
> >noise through via to via and =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D =3D20  via  to trace =
results=20
> >in, too.
> > Appreciate for any ideas.
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Best Regards,
> > Zhengrong
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > =3D
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> > =3D3D3D3DB4=3D3D3D3DFA=3D3D3D3DB1=3D3D3D3DED Shawn Zheng =3D
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> > =3D3D3D3DD6=3D3D3D3DF7=3D3D3D3DCC=3D3D3D3DE2: [SI-LIST] Xtalk from=20
> vertical=3D20
> > via to =3D3D horizontal tra=3D3D3D ce
> >=3D20
> > Hi,
> > I appreciate if you care to offer your help on the following=3D20
> > two xtalk scenarios
> >=3D20
> > 1.         xtalk from vertical via to horizontal trace
> >=3D20
> > via
> >=3D20
> > --|
> >=3D20
> > ----------------------------------------pwr
> >=3D20
> >  |
> >=3D20
> >  |
> >=3D20
> >  |
> >=3D20
> >  |    ----------------------trace
> >=3D20
> >  |
> >=3D20
> > --|------------------------------------gnd
> >=3D20
> >  |
> >=3D20
> >   --------------
> >=3D20
> > Only read some literature that talk about via to via=3D20
> > coupling. I wonder =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >=3D20
> > how
> > much direct coupling is from vertical via to horizontal trace=3D20
> > is. I =3D3D =3D3D3D3D think it is minimum since the trace is close =
to=3D20
> > the ground. Let us think =3D3D3D3D differently.
> > It is well known that the current transition through via=3D20
> > cause voltage =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >=3D20
> > diff
> > between parallel planes (pwr and gnd) fluctuates. Does the=3D20
> > fluctuation =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >=3D20
> > then
> > impact signal on the trace?
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > 2.         pwr reference impact on signal
> >=3D20
> > ----------------------------------------pwr
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >     ----------------------trace
> >=3D20
> > --------------------------------------gnd
> >=3D20
> > If power plane above trace is noisy but stays larger distance=3D20
> > to trace =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >=3D20
> > than
> > ground plane, how much does the power plane affect trace=3D20
> > reference to ground? Kind of similar to the first question above.
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Thanks.
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> >=3D20
> > Shawn
> >=3D20
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