microstrip, because it is not sandwiched between ground planes, is more susceptible to crosstalk than stripline. Cross talk might be the cause of more eye closure with microstrip. Another likely cause is that with microstrip the electromagnetic field exists both above the microstrip (in the air) and below it (in the substrate). That non-homogeneous medium makes the dielectric constant vary with frequency which means it is dispersive - the phase velocity decreases with increasing frequency. That pulls fast edges apart. And, the characteristic impedance changes with frequency ... I don't remember exactly how to describe that. These effects can be small depending on usage, but one thing is certain: they will contribute to eye closure for microstrip and they basically do not exist for stripline. Insertion loss is not the only thing that needs to be considered. --- Joe S. From: Siddharth Rajagopalan <maxsidhu@xxxxxxxxx> To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Moran, Brian P" <brian.p.moran@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 02/21/2013 11:24 AM Subject: [SI-LIST] Eye width for microstrip and stripline configuration in PCIE gen2 simulation. Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Dear experts, I am currently working on a PCIE gen2 simulation. I am evaluating both the microstrip and the stripline configurations.As expected, the stripline configuration yields more insertion loss than the microstip one. This however is not reflected in the eye diagram since the stripline has a better eye width than the microstrip one. I was of the understanding that higher insertion loss manifests itself as higher rise time degradation in the time domain. I might exposing my ignorance in the previous statement. kindly help me clarify this. Thanks, siddharth rajagopalan ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu