[SI-LIST] Re: Even mode, common mode, and mode conversion

  • From: Steve Corey <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:21:22 -0800

Chris -- you're right in that it's easier to work with systems whose 
eigenvectors are orthogonal.  However, if the system is such that its 
eigenvectors are not orthogonal, then you don't have any choice. Since 
the eigenvectors are a property of the system, you can't choose whether 
to generate orthogonal or non-orthogonal eigenvectors any more than you 
can choose the eigenvalues.

"Analysis of Multiconductor Transmission Lines" by Clayton R. Paul 
discusses various systems which do and do not necessarily have 
orthogonal eigenvectors.  A good example of such a system is general 
lossy microstrip.

The good news is that circuit designers don't have to worry about which 
  systems have orthogonal eigenvectors and which do not.  However, CAD 
algorithm designers do.  This helps maintain job security...

   -- Steve



Chris Cheng wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> Agree. Its just easier to generate solutions with orthogonal 
> eigenvectors.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Corey [mailto:steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:49 AM
> To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Even mode, common mode, and mode conversion
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, orthogonality of the eigenvectors is not necessary.  Linear 
> independence is sufficient.
> 
>    -- Steve
> 
> -------------------------------------------
> Steven D. Corey, Ph.D.
> Time Domain Analysis Systems, Inc.
> "The Interconnect Modeling Company."
> http://www.tdasystems.com
> 
> email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> phone: (503) 246-2272
> fax:   (503) 246-2282
> -------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> Chris Cheng wrote:
> 
> 
>>Classical definition of TEM mode propagation in an N 
>>line coupled transmission line requires waveforms
>>to be propagating in N orthogonal eigen-vectors
>>(instead of individual waveforms at each port).
>>It just happen in a two line transmission line case
>>the vectors are [1,1] and [1,-1] ejwt and sometimes
>>people refer the pair as even and odd respectively.
>>
>>In current generic SI terms, it is sometimes
>>refered to a coupled N line transmission line system
>>where the victim is switching in the same direction
>>(even mode) as the aggressor or the opposite direction
>>(odd mode). Note, depends on the setup, sometimes the
>>waveform in the aggressor ports becomes meaningless
>>to simplify the analysis time.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Doug Brooks [mailto:doug@xxxxxxxxxx]
>>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:31 AM
>>To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: [SI-LIST] Even mode, common mode, and mode conversion
>>
>>
>>
>>Gurus,
>>
>>I've been following the thread on mode conversion and suspect I am not the
>>
> 
>>only one with this question. Can someone explain, in layman's terms:
>>
>>The distinction between even mode and common mode?
>>        between odd mode and differential MODE (not to be confused with 
>>differential traces)
>>
>>And does the existence of differential traces add any complications to 
>>these distinctions?
>>
>>Thanks for bringing the dummies along with you!
>>
>>Doug Brooks
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>To unsubscribe from si-list:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
>>
>>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
>>http://www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
>>
>>For help:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
>>
>>List archives are viewable at:     
>>              http://www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
>>or at our remote archives:
>>              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages 
>>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
>>              http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
>>  
>>------------------------------------------------------------------
>>To unsubscribe from si-list:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field
>>
>>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
>>http://www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list
>>
>>For help:
>>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field
>>
>>List archives are viewable at:     
>>              http://www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
>>or at our remote archives:
>>              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages 
>>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
>>              http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 


-- 
-------------------------------------------
Steven D. Corey, Ph.D.
Time Domain Analysis Systems, Inc.
"The Interconnect Modeling Company."
http://www.tdasystems.com

email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
phone: (503) 246-2272
fax:   (503) 246-2282
-------------------------------------------

------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe from si-list:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field

or to administer your membership from a web page, go to:
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list

For help:
si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field

List archives are viewable at:     
                http://www.freelists.org/archives/si-list
or at our remote archives:
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages 
Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at:
                http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu
  

Other related posts: