John If you have HSPICE available, you can set up a circuit with s-parameter modeling to measure any pattern dependent ISI that you want. scott Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed? is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC John Lin (ªL´Â·×) wrote: >Hi Steve, > >Thanks for your helps. > >>From other response, it looks like, I need to transfer channel's S = >parameters into time domain > and do pulse repsonse to see how the curve at the falling edge = >penetrates to the period=20 >Of a next signal. > >In your mail, ISI is relative to attenuation,SDD21. > >I read SAS/SATA spec. There is a ISI compliant curve shown on a SDD21 = >chart.=20 >The ISI curve is steeper than SDD21 compliant curve.=20 > >How to generate a ISI curve at the frequency domain by simulation to = >check if meet the requirement.? > >Thanks, >John > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: steve weir [mailto:weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx]=20 >Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:34 AM >To: John Lin (=AAL=B4=C2=B7=D7); si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Cc: John Lin (=AAL=B4=C2=B7=D7) >Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Estimate ISI with S parameters? > >John variable attenuation versus frequency within the symbol frequency = >band will give rise to ISI as the amplitude at any given point will = >depend on the previous history of symbols, and hence the name ISI. > >Steve >At 10:25 AM 5/13/2005 +0800, =3D?big5?B?Sm9obiBMaW4gKKpMtMK31yk=3D?=3D = >wrote: > > >>Dear all SI experts, >> >>Can some ones explain how to relate ISI (inter-symbol interference) to=20 >>S parameters? >> >>What can be observed from S -parameter for differential 4 parts=20 >>simulation? For example, crosstalk, attenuation, reflection,....etc. >> >>Thanks, >>John >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To unsubscribe from si-list: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field >> >>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >> >>For help: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >> >>List FAQ wiki page is located at: >> http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ >> >>List technical documents are available at: >> http://www.si-list.org >> >>List archives are viewable at: >> //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >>or at our remote archives: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >> http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu