[SI-LIST] Re: EXT :Re: What's the purpose of stitching vias whichjust connect one GND layer?

  • From: alfred1520list <alfred1520list@xxxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 20:59:25 -0800

Hi all involved,
If this meeting did happen, what's the chance of making a video and publish? I
am sure more than myself would be highly interested in the discussion.

Best regards,
Alfred


On November 7, 2015 6:00:47 PM PST, Douglas Smith <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Steve,
How about sitting in on the GoTMeeting session to see what I did?
Should be easy
to model as there are only two traces on the board.
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 20:41, Scott McMorrow <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Doug,
they are stitching vias, and accomplish the same effect. We should be
able to
model your test board, quite easily and show correlation of modeling to
measurements.
In most real board, there are a huge number of ground vias, stitching
the
planes, since every device has grounds. It is those left out nether
regions of a
PCB where the type of issues you demonstrate can occur. Where there are
not
parts, no ground stitch vias, and open signal routing through vias.
Scott



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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Douglas Smith < doug@xxxxxxxxxx
[doug@xxxxxxxxxx] > wrote:
No. I mean of course gnd layer to gnd layer vias to short out the z
axis plane
to plane impedance at a signal via. That may be different than the
stitching
vias discussed earlier, but I call these stitching vias as well.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 20:20, Lee Ritchey < leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > wrote:
Do you realize how nebulous that sounds?

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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: EXT :Re: What's the purpose of stitching vias
whichjust
connect one GND layer?

Just to be clear, I was speaking of single or a few vias at places
where a
signal changes many layers on a PCB, not for crosstalk control. The
purpose is
to keep down emissions or increase immunity on a PCB.
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 19:08, Lee Ritchey < leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > wrote:
Chris,

Well put!

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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: EXT :Re: What's the purpose of stitching vias
whichjust
connect one GND layer?

Must have VIAs------Steve
No VIAs for you ------ Lee
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: EXT :Re: What's the purpose of stitching vias
whichjust
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Can someone translate the characters below for me?

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