Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Steve, How does this affect differential signalling. In one of our designs, DQS and Clock are referenced to 1.8 V plane on the substrate, whereas on the PCB they are referencing Ground plane. Thanks. Regards Ravinder Ajmani HGST, a Western Digital company ravinder.ajmani@xxxxxxxx 5601 Great Oaks Pkwy. San Jose, CA 95119-1003 www.hgst.com steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 09/25/2012 03:40 AM Please respond to weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx To si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx cc Subject [SI-LIST] Re: Does the signal reference to the vddq will increase the power plane noise? To answer your question, you have to know what the signal reference is where it is launched, and what the receiver references where the signal is sensed. If a signal is launched referenced to Vss, then rereferencing it to something else like Vddq does three things: 1) Injects signal current into the Vddq / Vss network. 2) Inserts the local impedance of the Vddq / Vss network at the transition between references into the channel impedance. 3) Couples the difference voltage that is between Vddq and Vss at the receiver to the signal potential that the receiver sees. Steve. On 9/25/2012 1:07 AM, liewluping@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Hi all: this question maybe too simple but confuse me many weeks: if the signal reference to the io power plane,for example ,ddr3@1866mbps,do the power noise will increase compare to the gnd refernce only design which only contains ssn noise? Or what will happened if we measured at the boards,or the die? Does the transition energy couple to the vddq plane will change the result or not? thanks a lot. liu luping > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List forum is accessible at: > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > -- Steve Weir IPBLOX, LLC 150 N. Center St. #211 Reno, NV 89501 www.ipblox.com (775) 299-4236 Business (866) 675-4630 Toll-free (707) 780-1951 Fax All contents Copyright (c)2012 IPBLOX, LLC. All Rights Reserved. This e-mail may contain confidential material. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all records and notify the sender. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Ecartis -- -- Err : No filename to use for decode, file stripped. -- Type: image/gif ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List forum is accessible at: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu