Traces (and cables, to a lesser degree) have loss that increases with frequency. Therefore longer traces slow down the rise time of the signal. Even if that was the only effect, since any noise translates into jitter, for a slower edge the same noise will translate into more jitter. And that is not the only effect: If the signal takes more than 1 UI (UI = unit interval = bit time) to settle to its final value then a rising edge that starts after one 0 bit starts from a different voltage than a rising edge that starts after two consecutive 0 bits. If the transition rate is always the same, then these two cases will cross the transition voltage at different times. That is Data Dependent Jitter (or perhaps I should say, it's Inter Symbol Interference, one form of DDJ). In severe cases the final voltages might not be reached for several UI, and the eye might be very small or actually closed - in which case you need some kind of equalization to boost high frequencies relative to low frequencies. Note that if the high frequency content needed to open the eye is attenuated so much that it's really in the noise (SNR approximately 0dB), then equalization at the receiver probably can't help. So, long traces DO add jitter due to high frequency attenuation causing DDJ. Try putting 8Gb/s down 24" of FR4 and you'll see. While I'm writing I should point out that most PC boards are not just a nice trace. Vias and connectors cause impedance discontinuities, which cause reflections. That distortion can be another source of jitter. There are many people on this list who know much more about this topic than I do. I'm sure someone will point you at some good reference material. --- Joe S. LeCroy Corp ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu