I've been shipping Gb/s serial products for a while and have my share of fail parts. However, I have yet to see a physical channel that is not either working like a charm or just fall on its face and barfing errors like crazy. Sure, chips or disk can fail and generates errors but no flaky channels that spits an error every other hour or days. To me, the channel is either have a BER that is near 1 (barfing errors like crazy) or near 0 (never fail, or at least approaching the life of the product it is attached to). Are we just kidding ourselves with these fancy BER analyzers or jitter instruments ? Do you really let a machine runs at say BER 10e-12 and say "ah ha, it only fails once a day and let's ship it" ? Is BER really meant for IEEE spec committees and not for real engineers who actually have to ship a product ? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu