Let's go off the original topic and talk eye diagram on DDR. That's an oxymoron by itself. With a single edge strobe, I claim no one knows when did the data get latch (vref+(noise margin),vref-(noise margin) and anything in between). That said, any half decent BIOS software guy can turn off refresh cycle and write some code to hit 16 address blocks (for 4 bit burst) and 256 address blocks (for 8 bit burst) in non-interleave mode within a particular DIMM. If you don't have a BIOS guy, sorry, can't help there. ________________________________ From: Ihsan Erdin [mailto:erdinih@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Sun 10/23/2005 8:13 AM To: steve weir Cc: Chris Cheng; rrepollo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Displaying eye pattern in an oscilloscope? Hi Steve, I think a simulation vs. measurement comparison is the motivation behind the eye diagram capturing. I don't know what kind of post-processing filter you can apply to the captured waveform in order to eliminate one of the 90-degree apart strobe signals on a bi-directional bus but even if this were possible it would only work on a single memory interface. In order to understand which memory device is driving you still need to observe (trigger on) the /CS signal. All in all, I'm not convinced an eye-diagram scope capture is possible to form a reference to the simulation results. But if the idea is timing verification as you put it, yes, you can do that by probing (and logic triggering on) all the control signals but without an eyediagram pattern on the scope. Ihsan On 10/23/05, steve weir <weirsi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ishan, I do agree with you that just triggering on DQS and running infinite persistence will just make an ugly mess on the screen. And if what one wants to do is detailed characterizations by: target/source DIMM, interleaved/non-interleaved bursts etc, what I suggest is inadequate. However, for the very same reason that infinite persistence without a cycle type trigger doesn't work well, we can extract reads and writes using only DQS and DQ. The trick is to use the 90 / 0 DQS to DQ phase offset of write versus read as a post-process filter to separate out the reads from the writes in .wfm captures. If the idea is to verify that system level timing works, that should be enough for the data path. If the skew moves around by more than 90 degrees such that reads can't be distinguished from writes, then the channel is broken anyway. Regards, Steve. At 11:14 PM 10/22/2005 -0400, Ihsan Erdin wrote: I'm not sure if it's possible at all. To capture a read or write cycle, you'll need a logic triggering setup for data and control signals (/WE, /CS) as Chris describes. For an eye diagram pattern, on the other hand, you'll need an edge trigger setup either at the clock or the data itself with a delay (one or two periods) A logic triggering with an infinite persistence display setting will not result an eye diagram. Ihsan Erdin On 10/22/05, Chris Cheng <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Not that simple. You will most like need some advanced triggering to trigger on CAS, WE so that you can tell if it is a read or write. Then you probably need some software to limit the hit to certain address to be sure you get the right DIMM. Good luck if you need to see the effect of interleave vs. non-interleave. ________________________________ From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of steve weir Sent: Fri 10/21/2005 10:59 PM To: rrepollo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Displaying eye pattern in an oscilloscope? Don't you have access to both clock and data? Steve At 09:17 AM 10/22/2005 +0800, Rep wrote: >Good day! > >I simulated a data signal from SH4 processor to SDRAM, displaying it in an >eye pattern. >I need to verify the signal by actual board evaluation. >Could please someone tell me how I could measure the >signal in eye pattern through the use of an oscilloscope (TEK)? > >I would really appreciated any help I could get. > >Thank you. > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> with 'help' in the Subject field > >List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > >List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu