I've had both on the same design for many years. Don't get you point. > [Original Message] > From: Chris Cheng <chris.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 10/3/2003 1:03:30 PM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Diff.Pairs > > I thought you are old enough to remember the days when board traces are wide > (6-8 mils were state of the art) and technology don't mix (either you have > ECL or CMOS as critical highspeed design on the system but not both). It is > easy to justify tight coupling of different pairs then. It still makes sense > for many designs where differential I/O is the only thing you care (e.g. > FCAL or 3GIO subsystems or clusters). > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lee Ritchey [mailto:leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:41 AM > To: Duane Takahashi; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Diff.Pairs > > > More than that, it does not have any benefit. Tight coupling of > differential pairs forces the traces to be narrower increasing the skin > effect losses. Also, this tight coupling is going to result in good old > cross talk that actually degrades the edges. > > How the notion of tight coupling of differential pairs as beneficial got > started is a mystery to me. There are several references that show that > tight coupling is not beneficial, one of them is Howard Johnson's latest > book, at least one column he has written and my recently released book. > > Lee Ritchey > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu