Jack, As a matter of historical interest, the definition for Dielectric Constant you quote from IPC-T-50 is worded very similarly to James Clerk Maxwell's definition from his 1873 Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Vol. 1 (p. 55). "This property of dielectrics... is also called the Dielectric Constant of the substance. It is defined as the ratio of the capacity of an accumulator [older term for capacitor] when its dielectric is the given substance, to its capacity when the dielectric is a vacuum." That historical connection may be why IPC-T-50's authors chose to use this wording, though this is just speculation. - MM -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Olson Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:18 PM To: SI-LIST Subject: [SI-LIST] Definitions in IPC-T-50 Greetings, IPC-T-50 (Terms and Definitions) is currently under revision, and as I was browsing the latest entries (ok, I have a boring life...) I noticed the definition they give for DIELECTRIC CONSTANT. Dielectric Constant The ratio of the capacitance of a configuration of electrodes with a specific material as the dielectric between them to the capacitance of the same electrode configuration with a vacuum or air as the dielectric. See â??Permittivity.â?? While that may be technically accurate, I wonder if it really helps the reader understand the significance of the term. As a member of the standards development committee I can submit recommendations for the next publication, so is this a good definition or could we do better? I suppose I should also include the following: Effective Relative Dielectric Constant The relative permittivity (See â??Dielectric Constantâ??) of a mixed media configuration, such as air and the solid dielectrics used in microstrip, that has the equivalent electromagnetic wave propagation characteristics of a single dielectric medium. Permittivity The square root of the ratio of the electromagnetic wave propagation characteristics of free space to that of the dielectric medium. The permittivity, ï?¥, of a material is, in general, a complex-valued (has real and imaginary parts) parameter. The real and imaginary parts of ï?¥ are given by ï?¥N and ï?¥O. See "Dielectric Constant." (the missing characters above look like a backwards "3") ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu