Hi Mike, While I agree with your comments I am still left wondering what one does when the clock is NOT the only source of a coherent signal. That is to say; When multiple chips source a clock. Should a ferrite be added on ALL Vcc pins?? This could be very crowded when the source is a BGA. Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: MikonCons@xxxxxxx [mailto:MikonCons@xxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:28 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Decoupling of Oscillator In a message dated 11/24/2002 7:44:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, bdewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: > Maybe someone can explain it, but I've never understood adding _any_ > additional impedance to a reference plane (call it "ground") connection. > It > seems I should always be aiming for the common impedance here for reference > purposes. Creating an isolated power to reference current loop does seem > to > show advantage when both high speed digital and low level analog live on > the > same board. Am I missing something? Right on target, Brent. Decoupled moats with power input PI-filters and ground "bridges" (under the outputs) to the islands created are an effective noise isolation mechanism for clocks, but increasing the impedance on the ground connection (in my experience) has always increased the SI and EMC problems. On the contrary, I have successfully reduced radiated emisions, reduced jitter performance, and cleaned up other SI problems on over 200 PCBs for ~80 different clients over the past decade by using continuous ground planes (along with several other of my tricks of the trade). Mike Michael L. Conn Owner/Principal Consultant Mikon Consulting Cell: (408)821-9843 *** Serving Your Needs with Technical Excellence *** ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu