Hi Ivor, To get immediate answers why not try contacting the support folks at the FBGA company (Altera) and the memory (Micron) for any design guidelines that they might have.? That way you can quickly see if you have any "first-cut" issues. That should buy you the time you need to "fine-hone" the design with simulations. Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042974@xxxxxxxx Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ivor Bowden Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:22 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] DDR2 design Hi SI Experts, I am reviewing a layout for an embedded DDR2 design using 4 Micron DDR2=20 chips with an Altera Cyclone controller. The memory is set up to be 64=20 bits wide, 16 bits per chip. The target rate is 167MHz. The design is not simulated. Termination is as follows: ODT may be supported, still investigating. There is no series term. There is 0.9V stub term for control lines. There is a differential 100 ohm term for each clock pair (4 total). Routing is as follows: Control lines are daisy chained and length matched between the first=20 DRAM and controller (about 1"), each DRAM (about .75") and the last DRAM and terminators (about .25"); total net length is about 3.5". Data lines are length matched at about 3" (controller to DRAM). Clock lines are length matched at about 4" (controller to DRAM). Trace impedance is targeted at 100 ohms for clock and control lines, and 75 ohms for data lines. Is this design likely to work? If not, what changes should be considered? I very much appreciate all comments. Thank you! Ivor Bowden Engineer Curtiss-Wright Controls ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu