A few months back, I mentioned that we at Samtec were working on a paper about lossy line models. We're still not completely finished, but we have some initial segments ready. They are available on our website now. The first part discusses a reference structure which we have been using for a few years for validating models and simulations. We have built the structure (which we call the Golden Standard) physically, and have used it to investigate and validate new test procedures. We have found the Golden Standard to be so useful, that we thought other SI Engineers might be interested as well. Its not rocket science, but we figured, why force people to re-invent the wheel? The structure is a basic, 2 line micro strip PCB. Analytical solutions exist for several key loss and coupling parameters. Those solutions make great markers for comparing with simulated data. I should also note that the Golden Standard demonstrates the infamous "anomalous" insertion loss resonance effect that pops up here on the list from time to time. The first part of the paper gives an overview of the structure. It includes data obtained from 2D and 3D solvers, and measured data from Agilent's PLTS system and TDA Systems IConnect TDR data post processor. The second part of the paper gives a theoretical discussion on the derivation of the analytical solutions. We have analyzed the Golden Standard using just about every modeling and simulation tool at our disposal. We have built models using several 2 D and 3 D solvers, used the models to generate spice and S-parameter models that we have run in Berkeley SPICE, HSPICE, and PSPICE, we have generated models from physical measurements using the Agilent PLTS and TDA Systems software, looked at single ended and differential simulations and measurements, in the time and frequency domains. So far we have about 75 pages of data. We will eventually be posting this data on our website. We still have quite a few simulations to go, and plan to continue to add to the list over time. We are considering opening up the data base so that other users can post results there too. We haven't worked out the logistics for that yet. But if anyone is interested in something like that, please send an email to goldenstandard@xxxxxxxxxxx We could host that on our website, or possibly set it up in relation to the SI list archive pages in someway. In the mean time, the papers are available on our website at: http://www.samtec.com/signal_integrity/golden_standards/goldenstandard_part1 .pdf <http://www.samtec.com/signal_integrity/golden_standards/goldenstandard_part 1.pdf> http://www.samtec.com/signal_integrity/golden_standards/goldenstandard_part2 .pdf <http://www.samtec.com/signal_integrity/golden_standards/goldenstandard_part 2.pdf> Or you can go to www.samtec.com <http://www.samtec.com/> , hit the "Signal Integrity" Tab, and hit "Golden Standard" from there. A description of the cross section is there, along with the analytical values, so it's a pretty easy process to set up and run some quick validations of your current processes. We should soon have a .dwg cross section file posted there too, which you might be able to paste directly into your software. In addition, we have fabbed some sample boards complete with SMA attachment points. These boards are great for validating test procedures and 3D solver solutions. We will have 40-50 on hand to give away at DesignCon next week, so stop by our booth if you're interested. We will also be making them available from our website in the next few weeks. If you would like to request a kit when they become available, send your contact information to goldenstandard@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:goldenstandard@xxxxxxxxxx> . Thanks. Julian Ferry High Speed Engineering Manager Samtec, Inc Mechanicsburg, PA ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu