Hi Robert This is an interesting question.=20=20 I have used copper pour, (or split/mixed plane in Mentor PADS for example) to create an infill around surface components for RF and high speed designs, mainly analog. I have found that with a continuous ground plane on the next layer, the RF performance is not affected greatly, except perhaps in trying to get the best RF connection to surface components like decoupling capacitors. Both practical testing and RF simulations using Sonnet Lite show little difference in RF effects including stray coupling. This has also been seen in CST Microwave Studio. The gap between the in-fill and the signal trace does affect the characteristic impedance (Zo) as you say, but is a fairly slow-varying relationship. The extra top ground creates a structure called Coplanar Waveguide with Ground (CPWG). Without the infill you just have Microstrip. To calculate the transmission line parameters for microstrip or CPWG, I use AWR TxLine. I have checked the results with Sonnet Lite and obtained fairly good agreement, but it does depend on the distance of the sidewalls and lid, and there is some small effect from the launch connection. However you can get close enough for practical purposes, which involves the effects of construction tolerances. You raise the question, what are the advantages of copper pour? I use it for the following main reasons. 1. To provide better thermal balance between the layers and try to prevent warping of the board. 2. To shield signal traces on the next layer, in areas where there are no top signal traces. 3. To provide useful ground connections for probes should it be necessary to go hunting after solutions to problems. 4. To provide a small amount of extra isolation between traces to a package with small pin spacings. One disadvantage is that you need plenty of ground stitching vias between the top infill and the ground plane to be sure that the top ground is not "live" which would otherwise create problems. Many RF microstrip designs work quite well with no infill. But often for me the advantages won the case. I try to avoid rules of thumb but have found that if the gap is similar to or greater than about 1.5 times the dielectric thickness, the infill does not have a great effect on Zo. A factor of 1.8 or 2.0 is often good choice. Regarding control of the spacing, Mentor PADS provides the ability to set up rules on groups of named connections. That is without paying extra for the "classes" option which I think might help on large designs. When the split/mixed plane is connected, the gap is then set automatically. (I think for practical purposes, "Copper Pour" in PADS has now been superseded by "Split/Mixed Plane" which does the same job more effectively for me.) Now, hatched pours are another thing - maybe a waste of ferric chloride? Geoff Stokes Systems Engineer Zetex Semiconductors plc Zetex Technology Park Chadderton Oldham OL9 9LL UK =20 +44-161-622-4857 www.zetex.com www.zetex.cn =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert.Havlik@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 22 April 2006 21:24 To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Copper Pours I understand copper pours are commonly used on PCB's for EMC shielding, power supplies, and in analog designs, but I have not found any resources with good advice on when a copper pour should or should not be used. I can see that placing a copper pour connected to a ground plane around high speed signal traces would reduce EMI and also possibly signal coupling, but it also seems that having a ground in close proximity to a signal trace it could also change the characteristic impedance of the transmission line. If the copper pour is not a uniform distance around the trace, it seems it could potentially cause impedance discontinuities. Also, I have seen both hatched and solid pours, and I have not seen anything on the advantages and disadvantages of either approach or in what circumstances one should be used over the other. Any advice on copper pour usage or good rules of thumb would be greatly appreciated. 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