Greg, Is the additional jitter DJ or RJ? If it's uncorrelated, you could look at power noise. If it's DJ, you may want to look at the relative magnitude of the impedance discontinuities (traces, vias, connectors). Did you check trace coupons? Also, you might check if there is any additional duty cycle distortion from the oscillator. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pietz, Greg P Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:55 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Clock Jitter We have a board design using PCIe. The PCIe reference clock for each ASIC comes from a clock generator IC. On initial proto boards, build in the USA, the clock jitter was about 78ps or less on all boards tested. We then had boards built overseas and are seeing jitter of 90 to 100ps. This is greater then the spec allows and is causing problems with the link. I did a TDR of the clock traces and they are 100 ohms differential. For two of the board vendors I was able to make some changes to the design to get their jitter in spec. For the third vendor I have been unable to fix the jitter problem. The board stackup is the standard 6 layer design. The clocks all reference the ground plan. My question is what can a board vendor do to increase clock jitter. Thanks, Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu