Charles, I agree 100% - and I believe that my answer will only serve as = a link between the person concerned and the Ansoft AEs ! According to me, the condition for the CPW ports ( >3(2g+w) makes no = sense to me, although it works - well. I think that this is where you = will really need the Ansoft AEs who can tell you the rationale behind = this condition. I did not ask mine yet, but I am preparing a list of my = doubts in HFSS which is longer than the European Union constitution = !!!!! Reg. Zpi,pv and vi - you should get more or less the same values. I have = read in a paper somewhere that Zpi is to be used for microstrip types = and Zpv for CPW (or the other way around) and Zvi is just the mean value = of the two. One suggestion - if you get very different Z values, then = change "something" and re-simulate !! I hope this helps=09 =20 Arun Chandrasekhar PhD Student: RF Packaging =09 IMEC | MCP/MaRS Group =09 Phone: +32 16 28 82 28 =09 Fax: +32 16 28 10 97 =09 Email: achandra@xxxxxxx <mailto:achandra@xxxxxxx> =09 Seeds for Tomorrow's World <http://www.imec.be/> =09 =20 IMEC, Kapeldreef 75, 3001 Leuven, Belgium | Phone:+32 16 28 12 11 = Fax:+32 16 22 94 00 | Website: www.imec.be <http://www.imec.be/>=20 This e-mail and/or its attachments may contain confidential information. = It is intended solely for the intended addressee(s). Any use of the information contained herein by other persons is = prohibited. IMEC vzw does not accept any liability for the contents of = this e-mail and/or its attachments.=20 -----Original Message----- From: Bi Han [mailto:mike_bihan@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:31 To: Chandrasekhar Arun Cc: List` Si Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: CPW in HFSS, ask for help Nice to hear reply from you !=20 Actually, what I am wondering is that the "wave port" 's size is = somewhat hard to match two important criterion in the same time:=20 1. The port need to be large enough to reduce edge-effect.( >3(2g+w) = recommended)=20 2. port's left & right edges need to contact the two side- grounds to = let them be connected together, to form the "lateral ground".=20 However, it is tough to meet above two requirements sometimes. For = instance, since the lateral metal trace have limited width, it is very = possible that the port had to be so wide (that all three metal traces = are included in the port) to meet requirement 1. Then, the edge of port = will bot contact lateral grounds. These two side-grounds are seperated = eletrically.=20 How to resolve this issue?=20 Thanks! Bihan @ Sjtu,Emlab=20 Chandrasekhar Arun <achandra@xxxxxxx> wrote: Hello Bi Han, Pls see a ppt file in the attachment that I used for this = purpose. If you stilll have questions, pls get back to me and we can = discuss. I have not tried the lumped gap source (I use only wave ports), = but if u have some interesting comparison, it would be nice to have a = look at.Regards Arun Chandrasekhar PhD Student: RF Packaging IMEC = | MCP/MaRS Group Phone: +32 16 28 82 28 Fax: +32 16 28 10 97 Email: = achandra@xxxxxxx IMEC, Kapeldreef 75, 3001 Leuven, Belgium | = Phone:+32 16 28 12 11 Fax:+32 16 22 94 00 | Website:www.imec.be This email and/or its attachments may contain confidential information. = It is intended solely for the intended addressee(s). Any use of the = information contained herein by other persons is prohibited. IMEC vzw = does not accept any liability for the contents of this email and/or its = attachments.A.ch:link { COLOR: #1e355e; TEXT-DECORATION: = none}A.ch:visited { COLOR: #1e355e; TEXT-DECORATION: none}A.ch:active { = COLOR: #b61e5c}A.ch:hover { COLOR: #b61e5c}BODY { SCROLLBAR-FACE-COLOR: = #b1c6d7; MARGIN: 2px; SCROLLBAR-HIGHLIGHT-COLOR: #b1c6d7; = SCROLLBAR-SHADOW-COLOR: #000080; SCROLLBAR-3DLIGHT-COLOR: #add8e6; = SCROLLBAR-ARROW-COLOR: #1e355e; SCROLLBAR-TRACK-COLOR: #f5f5f5; = SCROLLBAR-DARKSHADOW-COLOR: #808080; SCROLLBAR-BASE-COLOR: #b1c6d7; = BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff}-----Original Message----- From: Bi Han [mailto:mike_bihan@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 13:47 To: Chandrasekhar Arun Subject: CPW in HFSS, ask for help Hi:=20 May I ask you a question about cpw in hfss? Currently, I want to research some problem related to On-Si-chip = CPW(coplanar wave guide) problem. But have some difficulty in port setup = in HFSS and some other things.=20 My issue is that how to define those two side grounds of CPW ?=20 Since they(side grounds) are seperated by the signal line and will not = have opportunity to contact each other, how to define they two to be = grounds in the same time? Do you have some example project to help me? Thanks!=20 B.H. Bi,Hai =20 SJTU, Emlab =20 =20 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? "=D1=C5=BB=A2=BD=DA=C8=D5=B4=F3=D7=AA=C5=CC=BE=AA=CF=B2=B2=BB=B6=CF = =BF=EC=C0=D6=BD=DA=C8=D5=BA=C3=C0=F1=C1=AC=C1=AC!"> ATTACHMENT part 2 = application/vnd.ms-powerpoint name=3Dport_tutorial_CPW.ppt=20 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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