Thanks Gert, that helps Correct on the additional step...the vias are plated but the other areas of the PCB are covered. This was the vendors recommendation. -----Original Message----- From: Havermann, Gert [mailto:Gert.Havermann@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:14 AM To: Jim Nadolny; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Justin Fleace Subject: AW: CPW designs Hi Jim, I'm a bit confused. Usually if traces are covered with solder mask, they don't get any surface finish (ENIG, OSP or whatsoever). Only the open areas get a surface finish as it is produced after the soldermask, and the solder resist takes care about corrosion in the other areas. Whisker is only an issue for Tin finish, especially when it is applied to mechanical stress (compliant pin, etc.). It is true, that the best impedance control on layer 1 is when you don't use any plating, but as soon as you place any vias in your design, there is a copper plating process that will work against your tolerancing. There are techniques to cover areas of your PCB while thru plating, but that's an additional step and thus doesn't fit into "standard" production lines. Anyhow, Maybe that's what he meant. Surface finish like ENIG or OSP will just add few micro meters to your trace and GND path and doesn't really affect the impedance in any significant way (not even for CPW). I never used CPW in digital designs due to the amount of real estate needed. Tight etching tolerances are another reason not to go this path, but that's just my two cent . BR Gert ---------------------------------------- Absender ist HARTING Electronics GmbH & Co. KG; Sitz der Gesellschaft: Espelkamp; Registergericht: Bad Oeynhausen; Register-Nr.: HRA 5596; persönlich haftende Gesellschafterin: HARTING Electronics Management GmbH; Sitz der Komplementär-GmbH: Espelkamp; Registergericht der Komplementär-GmbH: Bad Oeynhausen; Register-Nr. der Komplementär-GmbH: HRB 8808; Geschäftsführer: Edgar-Peter Duening, Torsten Ratzmann, Dr. Alexander Rost -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Jim Nadolny Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2012 15:35 An: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Justin Fleace Betreff: [SI-LIST] CPW designs Greetings - Need some PCB fab practices guidance... I'm looking at designing a co-planer waveguide on a 4 layer, lower cost FR-406 substrate. THE CPW structure is on layer 1, layer 2 is a ground plane but it is "far" away, the fields are coupled to the co-planer ground, not really through the substrate to the layer 2 ground. Anyway - my PCB vendor tells me that the best dimension control is to use 1/2 ounce copper and no plating on the layer 1 traces. I'm cool with that, but we are wondering if the lack of plating on layer 1 leads to long term reliability problems. The bare copper will have solder mask over it, but it seems like you would have corrosion, whiskers, dendrites or something bad. Any thoughts on bare copper on layer 1? How about thoughts on CPW structures for high speed digital apps? Jim Nadolny ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu