Hello, As part of a class project, we have been given the assignment of using closed loop equations to "accurately" predict the characteristic impedance, etc. of microstrips. To solve for surface microstrips, we have used the equations from: E. Hammerstad and O. Jensen, "Accurate models for microstrip computer-aided design." These equations give us results that are very close to field solvers. However we're kind of stuck in getting accurate results for a buried microstrip. We are using the equations found in: Brian C. Wadell, "Transmission Line Design Handbook." When we use the surface microstrip equations above to solve for Z-buried we can get close, end up with some errors as much as 4% and off by as much as 3 ohms or more.. If we use the Wadell equation for surface microstrip to solve for Z-buried, our error is around 5% when comparing to field solvers. Looking at it a little closer, we find that our calculated effective er is different than that given by the field solvers. All we can seem to find in the reference materials is the same (or similar) calculation that is in Wadell's book or old IPC equations. So our questions are: 1. Are there any other equations for buried microstrips that others have found to be more accurate, especially for effective er and impedance? 2. Can anyone recommend any other reference material on buried microstrips? Are there any good IEEE papers on the subject? We know we may have to settle for what we have now, given the reference material, but we're hoping there's something a little more accurate available. Thank you, Ty Beeman Logan Talada Students Tompkins-Cortland Community College ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu