Mike, I second what Scott said. If the material you present is germane and specific to a design issue being discussed, there's not a problem. Just know your product and its limitations because someone on the list will probably know more about it than you do and will call you on it when marketing hyperbole exceeds empirical data. Ken -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Scott McMorrow Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 7:45 PM To: mmanginella@xxxxxxx Cc: ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Board layout issue Mike, Why didn't you just go ahead and say that you are with Syncron Technologies? Your posting is a bit deceptive. In your posting you speak as if you are a helpful third person and not an employee of Syncron. This group has never had a problem with vendors mentioning that they have a product which might take care of a particular engineering issue that is being discussed. By the way, the layer stackup optimizer does not seem to be mentioned on your web page. regards, scott -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 2926 SE Yamhill St. Portland, OR 97214 (503) 239-5536 http://www.teraspeed.com Mike Manginella wrote: >There is a company, Syncron Technologies (www.syncrontechnologies.com) that >has a layer stack up optimizer. The interesting thing about it is you can >enter constraints for line and layer impedances as well as other material >properties and get a good idea of the number of board layers to use. It is >constraint driven design for SI. > > >Thanks >Mike Manginella > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ravinder Ajmani" <ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx> >To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:48 PM >Subject: [SI-LIST] Board layout issue > > > > >>Hi Layout Gurus, >>Is there a quick and dirty method to determine if a circuit can be routed >>on an FR4 board of certain dimension, by taking in to account the >> >> >available > > >>card area and cumulative area of all components. The card will be about >>0.8mm thick with six layers (four signal and two power). I do not have >> >> >the > > >>option to use microvia or any other exotic technology. >> >>Your input will be very much appreciated. >> >>Regards, Ravinder >>PCB Development and Design Department >>IBM Corporation >>Email: ajmani@xxxxxxxxxx >> >> >> >*************************************************************************** > > >>Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. >>.... Mark Twain >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------ >>To unsubscribe from si-list: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field >> >>or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >>//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list >> >>For help: >>si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field >> >>List archives are viewable at: >>//www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >>or at our remote archives: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >>Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: >> http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 2926 SE Yamhill St. Portland, OR 97214 (503) 239-5536 http://www.teraspeed.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu