It is important if your signal goes any significant amount beyond the rail. Series terminated buses like PCI depend on the clamping diodes for signal integrity, to stop excessive reflections that can also impact timing. Some interfaces depend on them to limit the voltage swing at the receiver to safe limits on newer processes. If you need to check for these kind of effects, the clamps are essential. Andrew Volk Intel Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Abhijit Mahajan [mailto:amahajan@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 11:15 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Beyond Rail Operation in IBIS It is often difficult to get accurate curves for beyond rail operation of IO Buffers. The problem is mainly in diode models that are not accurate and results in 100s of Amps of current. I am sure this question has been asked before, "How important is it to have accurate beyond rail curves? Does the IBIS spec. allow models to not have IV curves beyond rail voltages?" Thanks for your help. Abhijit. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu