Yinko, I believe the model was made incorrectly. The "test" waveform (based on either a dv/dt number or a V/T curve), should have had a load that = matched the data sheet - which in this case would have included a Cref of 50pf. = If it doesn't, then the timing analysis will be inaccurate. It should show = a longer delay (because of the double dipping effect of the timing in the = data sheet with a 50pf load and the timing in the SI analysis). A longer = delay is more conservative when looking at setup timing, but is less = conservative and a problem when looking at hold times. In other words, it can be telling = you that your hold time is good when it's really not. call your model maker and ask them to fix the problem. Jim Peterson Honeywell -----Original Message----- From: cheng yin [mailto:yinko_cheng@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:04 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] About the Cref in IBIS Model Hi, I got a IBIS Model file from the device producer.=20 I find this text in one output model : Rref =3D 500ohms . and no = Cref=20 here. But in the DataSheet of this device, it told me the t_pd measurement=20 information is RL =3D 500ohms to GND, CL =3D 50pf to GND . I want to caculate the propogation delay and final settle delay of this = device. I'm using cadence's SpecctraQuest tool. So I think I should add 'Cref =3D 50pf' = to the=20 IBIS file. Am I right? Who can tell me how to do it? thanks Yinko _________________________________________________________________ =C3=E2=B7=D1=CF=C2=D4=D8 MSN Explorer: http://explorer.msn.com/lccn/ = ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages=20 Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu