Yeah, thanks. We were so worried. :-P Alan Mark Burford wrote On 07/25/06 10:26,: >Light will become the dominant force but there are still lots of HF >applications that have to be considered in a mostly light circuit such >as how does one power an led or laser to switch on and off at 10GHz? >With light? We first need to create light. How do we clock a chip? How >do we send light data across the internet and address the billions of ip >addresses worldwide? Everyone gets a wavelength?!??!?1=20 >Sorry for off topic but I wanted to reassure SI people that there will >always be high speed issues or maybe we will have solved them all by >then?! > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >On Behalf Of Grasso, Charles >Sent: 25 July 2006 18:10 >To: leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Vishnu Mohan; lijun_hit@xxxxxxxxx >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree turn in PCB tracks > >In the year 21oo I predict signal transmission=3D20 >using light. SI (at least using copper) will fade into the distance!! > >Best Regards >Charles Grasso >Compliance Engineer >Echostar Communications Corp. >Tel: 303-706-5467 >Fax: 303-799-6222 >Cell: 303-204-2974 >Pager/Short Message: 3032042974@xxxxxxxxx >Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; >Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx > > >-----Original Message----- >From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >On Behalf Of Lee Ritchey >Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 9:47 AM >To: Vishnu Mohan; lijun_hit@xxxxxxxxx >Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree turn in PCB tracks > >I wonder who started the rumor that right angle bends create acid traps. > >It is not true and has never been true. Fables die hard, both the right >angle bend causing signal integrity problems and acid traps. > >Bet we don't get these flushed out of our profession before 2100 and >maybe >not even then! > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Vishnu Mohan <vishyin8@xxxxxxxxx> >>To: <lijun_hit@xxxxxxxxx> >>Cc: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Date: 7/25/2006 12:55:11 AM >>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree turn in PCB tracks >> >>Dear Dhaval, >>To my kowledge 90 degree bends are not recomended because of the acid >> >> >trap. > > >>Some people says 90 degree bend can cause more reflection than 45 >> >> >degree, > > >>but it is not true. At high frequency 90 degrees produce less >> >> >reflection > > >>than 45 degree. >> >>Please find the attached document. >> >>With Regards >>Vishnu Mohan >> >>On 7/25/06, jun li <lijun_hit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >>>I read a little about this topic. To 90 degree bend, there will be >>> >>> >overlap > > >>>area. It behaves as capacitive discontinuity. Moreover, the sharp >>> >>> >point >at > > >>>the corner will enlarge electrical field. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> >>>Dhaval Bhodia <bhodia1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Dear Experts >>>I want to know that why PCB tracks can not have >>>90 degree bend ? second why 45 degree bend is most >>>preferable ? anybody has made any analysis on bending >>>of PCB tracks ? what are the technical issues will >>>come if some one makes 90 degree bend in PCB ? What >>>are electrone and transmission line charasterisic >>>stops to make that 90 degree turn in PCB tracks ? >>>Regards >>>Dhaval >>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>>--------------------------------- >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! 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