Jon, there isn't a single answer. In order to get to a particular impedance, you need a combination of: 1. Transmission line configuration: microstrip, symmetric stripline, or offset stripline 2. Material properties of your dielectric: primarily eR. 3. Acceptable range of trace widths. 4. Acceptable range of dielectric thicknesses. Skinnier traces over thinner dielectric will allow you to pack more traces per linear inch at a given amount of cross-talk. As microstrips, they will also emit less. But, they will have more etching variability, and more skin loss than wider lines of the same impedance. You need to know what matters to your application and make some decisions. My first impression here is that you would do well to get a copy of a good book on signal integrity. For this particular topic, Eric Bogatin's "Signal Integrity Simplified" is probably a good choice as Eric does a very nice job of demonstrating "control knobs", ie how over a limited range changing one parameter such as line width affects performance parameters such as impedance and loss. Second, search for "impedance calculator". There are many free impedance calculators on the WWW. Most are pretty accurate for common stripline configurations, but many can be pretty far off with microstrips. Rogers has one of the more accurate calculators for microstrip. Those will get you reasonably close to a configuration that works for your needs. Then discuss your proposed stack-up and line widths with your board fabricator. Virtually all of the better board fabricators have field solvers that yield precise answers. Your board fabricator will also be able to help you define a stack-up using specific materials. If you want repeatable results it is very important to follow Lee Ritchey's advice on this topic and specify your stack-up calling out the specific laminates in each layer. Since you aren't an expert, using a better board house to help you define that stack-up is probably the easiest and most reliable way to go. Steve. Jon Bean wrote: > Hi > > > Can anyone give me a stack up for a 6 layer pcb of 1.6mm thickness? > > I know the layer order I want to use but require the dielectric thickness to > give 50 ohm signals on the signal layers. Ideally I would like the signal > width to be no more than 0.2mm on those layers and using ½ oz copper for the > signals and 1 oz for the planes. > > > > Top > > Gnd > > Sig > > Sig > > Pwr > > Bottom > > > > Thank you > > > > Jon > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.net > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > -- Steve Weir IPBLOX, LLC 150 N. Center St. #211 Reno, NV 89501 www.ipblox.com (775) 299-4236 Business (866) 675-4630 Toll-free (707) 780-1951 Fax ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu