Hello Chris, There is actually quite a bit of work going on at 85 Ohms. As for testing non-standard impedance devices, we at Samtec did a joint paper with Agilent a couple years ago that addresses the issues. Bottom line, 50 Ohm instruments can work fine. http://samtec.com/Documents/WebFiles/Technical_Library/Reference/Articles/DesignCon2009_Non-Standard_Impedance.pdf We've also developed several 85 Ohm connectors and cables recently, and re-characterized many of our interconnect products to help designers evaluate their performance in an 85 Ohm environment. You can find some of that info here: http://www.samtec.com/signalintegrity/85ohm.aspx Julian Ferry High Speed Engineering Manager Samtec, Inc -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Padilla (cpad) Sent: Friday, June 17, 2011 1:08 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] 100 ohm VS 85 ohm Folks, I'm wondering if some of your higher speed designs are considering moving to a < 100 ohm differential Zo? We know that a 50 ohm via is difficult to make and the connector vendors have equal trouble trying to reach 100 ohm differential on their high speed connectors. Going to < 100 should make it easier to have lower crosstalk and matched impedance to improve return loss, possibly better signal to noise ratio, and wider traces could yield slightly lower loss (depends on how you adjust the PCB geometries to reach 85 ohm, of course). A negative is the 50 ohm test equipment environment. One will have 42.5 ohm on their board. Can this be easily dealt with? Of course, most chips are design with 100 ohm in mind so finding chips designed at something else could be difficult. I just wonder if the headache of moving off-standard is worth it or not. I'm curious what the experience of folks here have witnessed. Thanks, Chris Padilla Cisco Systems San Jose, CA ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu