What I did in previous design, was asking the PCB shop of what they are able to achieve. Some pads like power and gnd can use blind vias to the 1 or 2 layer down and this provide more routing channel using inner layers. They can also suggest smaller hole size and smaller FHS etc. Try to get a feel from more than 1 PCB shop. Also, depending of the device that you are using, the manufacturer sometime have a breakout example in their app note. Good luck. Steeve Gaudreault H/W engineer -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tayyab Jamil Sent: December 25, 2003 11:35 PM To: Stephen Chavez Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 0.8mm BGA routing Hi, I could not understand your scheme, for me it is not possible what you suggest as 0.8 mm pitch means there is only about 31 mil distance between via pads of adjacent pins. 24 mil pad of via leaves only around 7.xx mils space in between. If we use 5 mil trace this leaves only around 2.xx mils in total on both sides of the trace, means 1.xx mil clearence on each side of trace. What i was thinking of is 18mil via pad and 8mil via hole finished, and 4mil trace and 4mil clearnce. This allows one trace to be escaped between adjacent pades. Any suggestions about this. Please let me know if I am wrong. Regards Tayyab -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Chavez [mailto:stephen.chavez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:14 PM To: tayyab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] 0.8mm BGA routing Tayyab, I just finished a design with a 896 pin BGA (Xilinx) with 0.8mm pitch. I used 5mil trace width, 5mil spacing and Via: 24mil pad with 12mil hole. I have done the research and this is what Xilinx recommended. It works fine. I have designed with this configuration on a 10 layer board. I have even went down to a Via with 20mil pad and 10mil hole. This worked fine also. I checked with my board house to confirm this before I started my design. Feel free to get back to me if you have any questions. Good luck. Regards, Stephen V. Chavez PCB Designer Vista Systems -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tayyab Jamil Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:50 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] 0.8mm BGA routing Hello, I am currently working on a design where a 0.8 mm pitch BGA package is used. Can any one suggest me the design configuration i.e trace width/spce and specially the via size and via hole, which i should follow and manufacturers can handle this. Regards Tayyab Jamil Qureshi Sr. Design Engineer CARE Pvt. Ltd. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu