Ileana:Paul, you are making my point. The breeders shouldn't be breeding to a faulty dog. If the faulty dogs were not in the ring the judge wouldn't have to worry about putting up a dog that is the best dog that day. Paul to vous...Spot on thought Ms. Ileana...but...did the Breeder breed that dog based on faulty decisions made by Judges in past shows? (This is becoming a chicken or egg kinda thread.) Education is the key. For Breeders, Judges, Handlers and the public in general. We all need to learn, identify and correct the problems. Whether is faults of temperament, faults of movement, faults of structure. Try to correct these problems, not compound them. Paul again...once again spot on. I have had conversations with handlers who "know" that some of the dogs they handle are incorrect yet handle them anyway. AND...they don't educate the people they handle for. I want to emphasize this is not blanket critisicsm of every handler, breeder, or Judge...but if we do not educate each other...we do not live up to our responsibility to the breed. Now, a judge who knows better and puts up a faulty dog when superior dogs are present, is in my eyes not only to blame, this judge is stupid and irresponsible. Paul calls it a day...and this is my point. How many people standing ringside or that reads about a faulty dog winning then believes that dog is correct? You and I both know that very scenario happens more often than it should and is detrimental to the breed. Education...as you so eloquently put it...is the key! ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================