I really, REALLY tried to stay out of this one. Let's remove this from any person we all know or know of, to the general very good question that Bonnie asked. First of all, there are large and small kennels and breeders. There are people who breed excellent dogs in their back yard (I DID! LOL), people who breed their neighbors dog to their dog and have perfectly good pups who are raised to be perfectly good dogs. There are people who deliberately cross breeds for a deliberate purpose (stock herding, forinstance). There are people who breed many litters, do NOT raise them in their bedrooms and the dogs are perfectly fine when in their new homes. These breeders, no matter how many litters or dogs they have, are NOT substandard. They are not substandard, even when they sell to pet stores, by the way. Not our way of raising dogs, but NOT substandard. Then there are substandard kennels. Dogs who are indeed bred and raise their whelps under unbelievable conditions. Fed and watered with an eye to profit rather than health. Kept in deplorable conditions, on wire broken crates, 3 or 4 to a cage, no exercise. Bred without any concern for health or the pups health and sold to pet stores who care only that the pups sell, not for their healthy lives. And those substandard kennels can be large or small, lots of litters or a few hidden away in back yards. IF we just can get away from using the term "puppy mills," it makes the difference much more clear and takes one more weapon away from the ARs. Remember, Big isn't Bad, BAD is BAD. Stormy On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:48 AM, BonJenShepherds@xxxxxxx wrote: > > I would like to better understand your comment & I ask the > following > question in that effort. Could you explain to me what qualifies a > persons > operation as a puppy mill & not that of a breeder? Everyone has a > different > opinion about what a puppy mill is & I would like to hear yours. > > Thanks, > Bonnie ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================