Don't twist my words Ginger. Lee mentioned routine vet care. It followed Sue's post trying to explain her concerns (valid IMO) with short cuts. If there isn't money in the bank for a c-section, don't breed a litter. If a person can't afford routine vet care, I wouldn't sell them a puppy. Would you? It's ok for BYBs though? See, that's where I agree wholeheartedly with Sue not wanting to align herself w/ millers and BYBs. (And the presence of a few show ribbons doesn't exempt a person from slipping right into those categories, sad to say.) I'm sorry a prohibition on breeders doing their own c-sections has to be in the new PA law; It would never occur to me to try to do a c-section, but apparently it has occurred to others, so it does need to be legislated. I have no problem with folks doing their own vaccinations, (I do mine and it is now and will remain perfectly legal, with the exception of rabies which always had to be administered by a vet.) I DO have a problem w/ using medicines and wormers meant for cattle and horses for dogs. The way I was raised, I learned early that there pride in taking care of your own and doing it well. That's not being elitists, where I come from, it's just called "responsible". Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds In a message dated 6/21/2008 6:55:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cleary1414@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: There was just recently on this list a discussion of "elitism"... Because someone gives their own vaccinations or does their own worming suddenly they are a bad owner and shouldn't be allowed to own dogs. That is definitely elitism! **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================