I'm amazed that to be told that if I can't afford "regular" health testing of my dogs that I shouldn't "now" own dogs. Just for curiosity sake, why does reg. testing qualiy you as a super owner and now you can breed dogs? My dogs rarely see a vet, and I do mean rarely. They get rabies shots...and I do the OFA's prelims and certs. CERF and that about defines my times in the vets office. When I breed to a outside stud I do the required testing for the stud dog owner. In over 34 years of breeding I've had to do 5 "c" sections. I've had two bloat (both had cancer). I've had one bitch who got sick that had every test in the book and then some only to find "nothing" was abnormal. At the time my then husband had Weimaraners we did our own tails and declaws. No one ever got sick, or deformed by botched procedures. I know a Bouvier breeder who does her own ears, and let me tell you....the vets could learn from her. They are the nicest ears I have seen, and done at 6 weeks and all healed up before they go home at 8 weeks, oh, and they stand straight up and never need racks, etc. I guess I qualify as a back yard breeder because, gee whiz some of my dogs are in the back yard! AND sometimes I get up to 20 dogs! AND I don't have fancy ac conditioned kennels, for that matter I don't use the ac in my house either....because I can't afford it! Yep, I'm a bad breeder because my dogs actually live with me. But unfortunately some do have to go out in the backyard now and again. Oh, and I think before they worry about declaws and tails, well maybe they ought to make a law for the poor little boys that get circumsised, without any meds! Much, much more painful. Anja Anja Heibloem-Stroud www.pet-net.net/hausmekon/<http://www.pet-net.net/hausmekon/> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================