There are two points in this discussion that have been missed altogether. 1. If a separate breed, whites could not be bred to colored dogs. This is best illustrated by the three Belgian breeds in in this country. In AKC the Belgian sheepdog cannot be bred to a Turvuren or a Malinois etc.,as they can in Europe. Though there can be all three in a litter, the sire and dam must be the same breed and any pups registered must be registered as the same breed as well. Thus, if whites were to become a separate breed, a white could no more be bred to a colored GS to register puppies. 2. In other breeds, the white DQ is due to serious defects related to the lack of pigment. This is probably not applicable to GSDs because it is a double merle gene and we do not have merles in our breed ( yet ). In breeds that have merle colors, breeding merle to merle can produce homozygous whites, blind or deaf or both.(collies and Shelties ) Cardigans cannot have white surrounding the eyes; Pembrokes and Aussies are quite limited as to the white allowed because of blindness and deafness resulting from lack of pigment. In the Dobermann, it seems that all whites are Albinos, highly intolerant of sun, usually deaf, and said to have distinct temperament issues. We do not have these issues in GSDs because we do not have the lethal merle gene, but with piebalds and pandas wile merles be next ? Carolyn ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================