Thank you so much Melanie!!!!! OK...pretty clear then...and putting aside like/don't like, who bred/who has etc.... So, before we go down the path...IF we remove the DQ, would that p*ss off the SV and then would United Schutzhund Clubs of America step up? Because clearly it is still a DQ in both standards and although I don't speak German <G>, I DO understand "breeding grounds for suspension". Just saying. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/5/2013 5:24:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, valleydogs2000@xxxxxxxxx writes: Kathy, You may be interested in this response from the SV, when they were contacted regarding if they had an opinion if the GSDCA would not protest the establishment of the Berger Blanc Suisse/ White Swiss Shepherd as a separate breed within AKC. This is a link to the entire correspondence http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/breed-standard/164162-gsdca-approves-wg sd-breed-separation-application-7.html#post2226222 And this is a translation of the reply: Dear Füllgraf, in connection with your inquiry dated 11/07/2010, we inform you that the race was "White Swiss Shepherd / Berger Blanc Suisse" is currently on a provisional basis (Standard-Nr. 347) recognized by the FCI. is respect it to be a separate race and would not "white" German Shepherds, because for this to be imposed according to the breed standard is a breeding grounds for suspension, since the color "white" one zuchtausschließenden deficiency after final recognition by the FCI to represent. Given the above facts, we therefore see no reason that would speak against the introduction of the race, "White Swiss Shepherd / Berger Blanc Suisse" in the AKC. To what extent thereof, or other contractual agreements between the FCI and the AKC is concerned, is beyond our knowledge. Yours sincerely, Hartmut Setecki Managing Director ---------------------------------------- Hope this helps, Melanie Msg: #10 in digest From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 16:08:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: whites ya or nay? I wonder...what the SV's position would be if we removed the DQ. Anybody know? Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/5/2013 4:01:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, scenecrest.geo@xxxxxxxxx writes: Yes, Germany was the first to disallow the white GSD and would not register any pups that were white. ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================