I feel I must weigh in considering I own both white and "traditional" GSDs. To me the color of the dog does not make the breed. Is a white dog any less loyal than a black and tan? Is a black GSD any less intelligent than a sable? The talk of separating a breed solely based on color is dumb. Yes, it has been done before but there are also breeds that just show all the colors together so that argument can go both ways. Two black and tans can produce a white, similar to how two black and tans can produce a black. And white is a masking gene that masks the actual color of the dog. It does not directly lead to paling. A white dog can mask any GSD color. I've actively shown both whites and "traditional" dogs. I have the only known AKC and Canadian Kennel Club champion in recent history with a white parent. A dog that has gotten compliments by many GSD fanciers and judges alike. So should she be considered a different breed or a mutt because her sire was white? Is she any less a champion because of that white parent? The GSDCA holds a responsibility to the GSD, regardless of the dog's color. I would rather see the white dog stay a DQ in the standard than be separated into something it isn't. The club has a responsibility to the standard as well. If the dog is a DQ in the standard, what would make it OK to be a different breed? And what about the Livers and Blues? Should they be separate breeds too? Regardless if you like the whites, they are part of the history of the breed and helped shape the dogs we love today. Donna _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2009. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================