I cannot understand why you would whelp litters in a living room or kitchen???What do you do when you have company???I feel a dog should be in a quiet place away from cooking or tvs???I have used my downstairs shower room which is easy to clean and then they can go out the back door to do their business..It is quiet away from company and other dogs..I sometimes have used my basement which has a heater and a dog kennel with a whelping box..It is hard on me with all the up and down stairs but when I have to will use it..My kitchen is for cooking only...I quess people have to do what suits them best..We get way too much company mother dogs need the quiet..When the puppies are older they go on my back scrreened porch on newspapers Barbara Amidon http://www.geocities.com/amberkennel ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================