Someone suggested that a lister ask their breeder about her lines. Everyone is always talking about knowing your lines and what faults lines produce. So when do you have a line? Is it after 5, 10, 15 years of breeding? Is it when you consistantly produce dogs that look the same, have the same "type?" If you have a bitch and you do outside breedings all of the time, to different studs, it seems difficult to build a line -type. It's an outcross every time unless you are linebreeding. I do know breeders who have been at this for 25+ years. However, they don't have a single foundation bitch that their dogs go back to, and if you look at the dogs they've bred over the years, they're no consistancy. They breed winners, but but the dogs don't have the stamp that tells where they come from. They can't tell me what's in their lines because they have a mix of too many lines. I've have looked at all of the websites of folks whose kennels are listed either on the showgsd-l site (and the link works) or in their signatures (and other gsd sites as well). I've noticed that some have a certain look to their dogs, and it's easy to tell. Some have kennels with dogs that look like they were all purchased from different places across the world. None have the same type, and there seems to be little consistancy (I am not saying that they aren't good dogs). Denise W. http://sabianshepherds.tripod.com for show and performance *join my site ring* ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================