The problem with turning them loose, as I see it, is that this puts the pressure on the dog to actually move properly, with no fixed way of making them do it. They might decide this is a good time to play Ferdinan and just sit in the middle of the ring and sniff. And they might also decide to play bronco, and gallup and and fun around, not to mention the need to revamp many rings from rope to something that would keep the dogs inside the ring. I think the answer is for judges to take back the ring and insist that handlers slow down. Then even some of us broken folk could consider showing again. I would. Not my own dogs, I am too much the alpha and my dogs look back to see I am happy with them, thus throwing off their gait, but I would show other dogs. The dogs do need some control, that is the handler and lead, but they also need to slow down, agreed!!!!! Sheila, of Miami, Lieberman Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 12/7/2006 10:25:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pruett@xxxxxxxxx writes: I kinda of like the Fasano's idea of turning dogs loose to move on their own to be evaluated. That's how I evaluate my own animals Would love to see this especially at a National...it would sure separate the correct dogs from the dogs that are strung up to give the impression of movement. Kathy _Victory German Shepherds_ (http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com/index.htm) ~ WEBSITE UPDATED: Nov 13, 2006 Home of CH. ELVASTON'S NATIONS CUP, TC, OFA H/E DNA'D "NITRO" 26 BISS/ BESTS OF BREED TO DATE 2006 PACIFIC COAST VICTOR ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================