Great explanation ! It also states the logic of the large entries. Carolyn --- On Wed, 4/29/09, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx <tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx <tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was....Check out the numbers To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, "AA GSD List" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 7:46 PM Actually, I'd like to step in on this one....... and this is a rough draft typed out quickly so please don't question spelling errors. I CAN SPEL L... I j ust have dyslexic fingers ..... SV style shows and AKC style shows are VERY different. AKC shows are shows...meaning a competiton for points toward a championship. SV style shows are for breeding stock evaluation.... a VERY different concept. Judges don't just have to pass an open book test and sit at ringside a few times..... they are SPECIALISTS! Dogs are not only judged on overall structure against others in the ring. They are also evaluated on pedigree and in older dogs, their producing ability and are placed from 1st to last in the class. Those placements aren't just 1st thru 10th ... they come with a 'show card' that provides a written evaluation of the dog ... whats right and whats wrong along with a rating of excellent, very good, good, or not good..... judges take time with every dog and explain their placements. Folks understand WHY dogs are placed as they are..... t hey don't have to guess..... or depend on a schnauzer judge who wants to do t he Herding group to evaluate their GS D. Stud dog owners help their puppy owners to show and fight for one higher position in the ring - even if its next to last. Each move up in position moves 'dad' and 'mom' up also as better producers so breeders have a vested interest in the placement of t heir 'kids' and really show it!! T hey also u nderst and that GSDs are not robots.. running around in a circle for no reason. T hey not only allow, but encourage, double handling to keep t he dogs going which gets t he entire family involved. Grooming is not allowed so faults can't be hidden ...... blowdryers are banned f ro m t he showgrounds and can get you kicked off j ust like a pinch collar is supposed to..... GSDs are supposed to be a wash and wear breed and they expect teh dog to have an oily guard coat ! Y our dog is really evaluated by a breed expert and you receive an evaluation of your dog... not a 'could be my winner at another show' or in a group of also rans and invited to wait on t he sidelin es or exit t he ring while the 'good' ones are evaluated........... I can understand why new folks enjoy bringing a picnic lunch and their dog to the local show....... While politics DOES play a factor in top placements.... everyone gets a fair evaluation of their dog...... and t hey are included in t he stud do g's or breeder's group of owners so t hey feel that t hey are a part of t he action... not t he new kid in town. Lastly, every progeny exhibit ed at t he show must come back in for t he stud dog or brood bitch evaluation classes so folks are not encouraged to show 'fillers' beca use every progeny comes back in good and bad.... t here is no picking and choosing going to keep teh not so good ones out so you get a better look at what that animal has produced..... and t hey are careful not to misrepresent puppies t hey sell....... You may not appreciate the style of dogs being exhibited but they are an inclusive bunch who encourage new owners and families to participate..... and support them in their efforts. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx Here's an analogy: My nephew, who is five, is on a ski team. At the end of the season they had some kind of a race event. He called my parents, ecstatic, that he'd won a medal. The results/times were on line, so Dad printed them out. Well, heck, everyone who managed to stay upright won a medal! That's OK when you're five. I get it. I don't get it at fifteen, twenty five etc., any more than I "get" taking a dog to the breed ring that doesn't have a prayer. JMO ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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