I still don't think there should be any <more> rules, but when you watch the judging, read the critiques (short upper arm this, could be better going away that, etc., etc., etc.) ppppaaaalllleeeaaasssee don't tell me the judge is following the definition of Select in the P & P manual. That's be like peeing on my leg and telling me its raining:) WTG KATHY;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; That is all I am going to say on this subject. I think it is just plain dumb. Leave it to the judge as to how many selects he/she wants to give.............BUT...........it has gotten out of hand. Dave had 3 or 4 he considered for GV that should have been the selects......Joan had 3 or 4 she considered for GVx those should have been the selects. I have stewarded for the last 13 years. each year the judge has had 3 or 4 they have considered for the top honor of each sex. I, like Paul feel that is what the P & P manual was talking about. I guess that is like the standard. READ IT AND DO YOUR OWN THING. That is my feeling on the subject, blast away. I will say no more. I need more oxygen Bob ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================