In a message dated 5/22/2005 6:29:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: If you mean on another given day..I can give you 2 examples off the top of my head. A Sel. 9 dog went on to go GV in both countries twice..and a Select 10 dog in 2001 was Select 2 this year...and a Select 18 was Select 4 or 5 this year this year's Select 10 dog was a young dog who went WD.. I understand what Paul means Christine; he means on THAT day, not once they go home, grow up, etc., etc. If you read the definition of Select and take it literally, then on any given year when the intersex judge is down to their last handful and you can see them weighing the finer points between say, 3 or 4 dogs, by the book, THOSE are the Selects for that year. The definition doesn't say for dogs of equal quality AND those that may grow up to be of equal quality sometime in the future <G>. That said, I'm against a bunch of rules. Let the judge decide. BUT, for me, do I think 7-8-9-12 were in contention under that judge, in that particular moment in time for GV-GVX...no, I don't. I've never thought that. Take them home, grow them up and perhaps in another year, maybe two...but not on THAT day. Kathy three generations of Champions live here! visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================