Terry writes: In a message dated 2/27/2005 1:21:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx writes: All this talk about the temperament test sure tells you who is worried about temperament doesn't it ??? :0) I still agree with the Captain. With out breed type it should not be called a German Shepherd Dog. With out sound temperament it should not be called a dog. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vicki writes: I'm not worried about temperaments on my dogs, never had a reason too, especially since I owner handle most of the time. I worry about the spectators outside the ring watching the temperament test being done either wrong or right by a judge and then asking WHY is it done in OUR breed only........ I know other breed people are worried about the "character" and "temperaments" of their breed too. If the GS have to have this test then other breeds should have to do it too, IS MY POINT. The GS shouldn't have to be ALONE when new upcoming judges are told about the temperament test. Then we ask why some judges are afraid of our breed and I have seen it. I'm not worried either. The CHs here are TC'd AND dual titled and believe me, to live here and eat <G> I expect a whole lot more than passing a TE. For the reasons Vicki states above (impressions) AND because thinking walking up to a dog and patting its head tells you a darn thing AND because we see so many wackadoodle impressions of a "correct" test (when in reality IMO a judge should be able to evaluate problems during the individual exam), AND because now we find this goofy tape is out which may be behind the wackadoodle tests....groan....we've made such a mess of it we have specialty judges taking the leash away from handlers when a dog doesn't acknowledge them, we've got all breed judges acting like a weird stranger, in both rings judges want to thump on dogs and see how far they can push and all the while to anyone watching it makes it look like GSDs HAVE a problem...I'm still saying "forget about it". I agree with Barbara and Tom. A judge should be able to spot a questionable actor. JMHO Kathy visit _Pine Hill German Shepherd Dogs_ (http://www.geocities.com/pinehillgsds/) ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================