One thing that I do when I have looked at pups to the point of total confusion. I ask a dear friend and horse breeder to come take a look. That gal always picks the best movement. Darn good horse trainer too ::0) Terry RChesnut70502@xxxxxxx wrote: In a message dated 4/16/2005 6:45:25 AM Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds writes: Randy, I think you are complicating things. There are many, many good "dog people" who can see balance and movement when it comes in their ring no matter the wrapper it wears. How come 'we" all thought we could appreciate the movement of this year's Westminster winner, but we don't think anyone who hasn't had hands on experience w/ GSDs could pick a good one? I've never had my hands on a GSP, certainly have no experience w/ the breed, but I could sure tell she can move! Oh, and I don't think I would have needed a football field to see it . Kathy Kathy, I beg to differ. My neighbor, has a good eye for a pretty dog, but I doubt he could judge movement. The breed you and I judge is probably the most difficult to judge where movement is concerned. This buisness of an eye for balance and movement I have heard for over 35 years in this breed. It is a bunch of bull s..t as far as I am concerned. The reason we all could appreciated the movement of this years Westminster winner is because we, German Shepherd judges and breeder, have a better appreciation of movement. That appreciation of movement, balance, etc comes with experience and proper mentoring. Anyone that thinks differently is simplifying things. Some of the best AB Judges today were involved with German Shepherds early on in their careers. One only needs to watch a few AB Judges disregard movement(in any size ring) in favor of a pretty stacked dog baiting his ass off, while the correct dog is in last place. If this were not so, we would not be having this discussion of two different type German Shepherds. JMNSHO Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ Terry Cochran www.FairwayShepherds.com www.Rightdog.com RightDog Photography __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================