That's all valid Suzanne, and maybe Lee's and Cathy M.'s experience is the same, but it's not unusual for all breed judges and performance judges to see checks close to $2K for a 2 day cluster. I'm absolutely all for everyone making money but by the same token I'm not going to fret if they are paying a fee to renew their license. Now, if a specialists has to pay a $50 fee and the clubs hiring them can't afford to cover it then maybe those clubs have to revisit if it's worth having a stand alone show...if they are cutting it that close, I'm thinking "no" and perhaps they would be better off supporting an ab show. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 5/13/2010 12:17:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: And to ADD to Lee's............ other organizations get SOMETHING for that fee. We get an online judges newsletter written by breed club columnists on how to judge their breed and grief from AKC. We are expected to search for and pay for all our own education. [And G*D forbid its more than 2 years old - after all we can only retain info a short period of time you know.....] AKC offers only the Judge's Institute at a substancial cost. All other education comes from the individual breed clubs. Other event judges, Herding for example, are allowed to take money to train and trial other people's dogs but I can't even hold a friend's dog at ringside for him/her in case the judge in the ring is influenced when they see me with a dog...... Obedience and Rally judges are rarely accused of 'misconduct' in the ring. Have you read the conformation judge's guidelines lately?? Breed judges are just assumed to be crooked and AKC does everything but call us criminals. No advertising, don't tell people you are a judge, don't put it on a business card or in an ad, and absolutely no soliciting. I pay fees for stuff all the time but if you are going to charge me a fee, tell me what I get for it!!!!!!! Anda don't day for the "priveledge" of judging........... try to do better than that......... Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of BIS/MBISS Ch Yancy HT PT RE CD TC CGC BH, USISB CAC Int Ch Helios IPO3 AD HIC CGC CHIC, Ch Flair, AKC/Int Ch Jezzy, Gilli RN CHIC [mjr ptd], Anna TC, and the Wreckin' Crew!! ----- Original Message ----- From: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx To: Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx, tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx, Kmgraphic2@xxxxxxx Cc: Windwalkergsds@xxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:02:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was (no subject) - AKC judging fees That is all fine and well but what other individual that has to pay a license fee that is not allowed to solicit business or advertise their services? Judges cannot do this!!!!!!!!!!! Lee Brown In a message dated 5/13/2010 10:56:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: Can anybody name a license they have that doesn't have a fee to maintain/renew??? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2010. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================