Not that it really has any bearing on what I feel should be done with that dog or any dog that bites a child forcefully, but I have been wondering what the X part of the dog was. The original post stated that it was a GSD X. Mike Gray -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tsaligsds@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:09 AM To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: was attack? The problem is, thats you, and me, and most of the folks on this list know how to raise a well socialized dog without planning or even thinking about it. You are the alpha in your home. JQ Public doesn't and isn't! Don't believe me? Ask your local AC how many kids get bitten by the family dog. The numbers are astronomical! How many people can't take food from their pet? Or a toy or a bone? What about the dog who won't be quiet when told to? Or the dog who listens to dad and no one else? How about the dog who 'won't allow" visitors in your home? Behaviorists see cases so bad that the DOG controls the household - not the family. Or the vet sees them as he's sending them on to the next life..... Never say never....... Rarely is a dog bite unprovoked. The problem lies in what we consider "provoked" and what the dog considers "provoked." So many people want and brag about owning an "alpha" male who is "in charge" whereever he goes. So when do you brag when that dog also tries to be in charge of your kids??? These are animals. They have to be treated like animals and the public - non showing but pet owning public - has to be educated in ways to control their pets like we do. OR the end result is dog bite and euthanasia and again the breed, whatever breed they own, is perceived as "unpredictable." How many breeds are "known" for turning on their owners by JQP??????????? Not just my opinion, read the research......Michael Fox, Ian Dunbar, Animal Behavior Associates Newsletters, etc. Suzanne www.tsalishepherds.com Home of Ch Firedog, Ch Cookie, Ch Flair, BIS/BISS Ch Yancy, and Ch Flash! Website updated 10/05 -------------- Original message -------------- > PLEASE stop making excuses for the dog! > I don't want to hear under-socialized, poorly socialized, > don't expect to have to "socialize" them and/or have to work at it for them to > be > "comfortable" around children. I expect to be able to take food out of > their mouth. I demand they get along, not only with their pack, but out in > public nose-to-butt with other dogs. > > Kathy > ======================================================================== ==== POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ======================================================================== ==== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================