In a message dated 2/10/2007 7:33:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx writes: The box without the "floor" is a real winner and I love the PVC pig rails:) I have something similar.......have a 4x6x3 box with no floor. 3 sides are the 3 ft high, the 4th, front I have slots to slide 1 ft wide boards in. I have no bottom just to do the same thing Kathy says...I can tuck all the b lankets under the box and everything stays organized. Underneath I do things a bit different.....I start with heavy grade plastic, then I have a 4 inch foam pad also wrapped in its own plastic. I put a large piece of naugahide over this that tucks under the edges of the box, insulating any coolness from the floor and giving the bitch something real comfortable to lay on for her several weeks of nursing (and something very comfortable for my old knees during whelping). Then after whelping I use flannel sheets that tuck under the box and put thick towels that are real easy to change for quick clean ups. I keep the front off the pen just for the first few days, then put a 1 ft board that fits in the slots across the front. This keeps the pups in until they hit 4 weeks. Molly Trillia German Shepherds since 1974 Member GSDCA, GSDCC, GSDC of Beaumont, Life member CKC If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then give him only two of them>>>>Phil Pastoret